Good German name. I had such good support from industry and Kent State administration. As I understand Phil, this display technology you're looking at right there on your cell phone is from one of our students.CRAWFORD: For the audio, you're showing me an Apple iPhone. They didn't want me to do this at all. If you had something black behind it to create a background, you could switch on and off a bright red image, for example, on black background. But what a distraction that was, taking considerable time away from company development.That's the thing about patents: a patent doesn't help you much unless you protect it. You don't have to wad it up and throw it away. Early 80s. What were those signs?DOANE: They were called Info Signs. Also, Kent had just started its PhD program in solid-state physics, and I just wanted it to grow from solid-state physics to physics in general, which it did. I didn't come here because of liquid crystals, but right after I got here, I went into it, hook, line, and sinker. The Retail building features a total of 24,497 SF. And [the liquid crystal work] just died out. I thought Jim did a nice job getting this program off the ground. It was a nice program. Fergason got some money out of it, and Hoffmann-La Roche got the license. That was a discovery that turned out to be not only of scientific interest but also ended up in many applications. You can do lots of things with that [experimental technique]. I thought it would've been a marvelous thing for the city of Kent and for Kent State University and even the country to have really capitalized upon this opportunity. I asked my advisor who these guys were, and he said, "They worked with Professor Purcell up at Harvard. 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My father, in order to afford to send them to high school and college, started a little filling station that developed into a country store. I can give you a lot of stories about that. I had a lot of government support that I could bring into the company as well. I think liquid crystals have played a big role in science, particularly in flat-panel displays. CRAWFORD: What was the reaction to that?DOANE: They picked up on it, but they didn't always do it as well as I would have liked. But the university can have ownership of patents that industry needs. If this interview is important to you, you are advised to consult the original digital audio files and any additional files related to the interview in the Kent State University Special Collections and University Archives. The University had on its books the physics department's first graduate program called Chemical Physics. I think the people doing display work just wanted to make displays whatever way they could but liquid crystal displays seemed to be winning out. Liquid Crystal Oral History ProjectDepartment of HistoryKent State University, Transcript produced by Sharp Copy Transcription. Liquid Crystal Oral History: Doane, J. William (Transcript Only),. Instead, research is directed toward finding scientific knowledge. I didn't find it a great business for Kent State University. You license a technology to some company, and right away, that company starts working on this technology, and they'll figure out better ways to do it and can patent around it. In regard to the American Society of Patent Holders, Goodyear was involved. But the champion ended up being Japan. But he had two other positions he could fill. Peachtree Rides (Mall Train) Town Center at Cobb is Northwest Atlanta's main shopping destination. But contributing to the war effort had little to do with it. At the time I happened to be on a board of directors for a display company in Troy, Michigan. This would make a black-and-white display, but it required a lot of power. CRAWFORD: Did Kent Displays get funding from ALCOM?DOANE: No. I was born in the sandhills of Western Nebraska, out in the country in a sod house, built by my father. And we had to build that. Here, you had to put these transistors on large surfaces for TV and other display screens. He said, "Let's get the governor here." Did those events shape the Institute in any significant way? [Laugh] That was a huge effort, the first time I ever worked with other universities, and I learned the issues with that. The Mill at Chastain is located at 3350 George Busbee Pkwy NW, Trulia is a registered Trademark of Zillow, Inc. Zillow, Inc. holds real estate brokerage, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information, Zillow Group is committed to ensuring digital accessibility for individuals with disabilities. Request Tour Send an Email Highlights Here are some of the most popular amenities Pet Friendly Patio Floor Plans 1 unit available 1 Bedroom 1 bed 1 bath $625/mo And in the meantime, I'd talked with others who may have wanted to invest in it, some people up in Cleveland who thought they might do it. I even made a display out of them. They were actually [the first industry to jointly work with the Liquid Crystal Institute to further develop PDLCs. I didn't necessarily look at it as a way just to help my own research, although I could see that it would help to have other people around doing this. India, Russia, Japan, all over the place. It seems like a lot of the Nobel laureates are really young fellows or at least made their discoveries at a young age. I thought I wanted to go into electrical engineering.CRAWFORD: Was it the problem-solving, working with your hands that attracted you to engineering?DOANE: I think so. I thought I would try that. Actually, I started KDI in 93 before I even retired. I don't think the company lost any personnel. If it didn't have that film on it, you could only see it if you were looking directly at it. But today at least, you cannot easily separate the two interests because industries are very interested in what universities are coming up with and vice versa. CRAWFORD: You talked a lot about your work building a program at Kent State. Industry has the money and manpower to do the job better than any university. In order to get color, you have to filter the light through red, green, and blue filters, and those filters absorb a lot of light. At USC, they were doing work on organic light-emitting diodes, and we were doing work on liquid crystal displays. But he came in very early, after John West.] I think that was the difficulty. CRAWFORD: Was there a sense at that time in the late 60s and the 70s, was there a sense that academic science was a different world than industrial science?DOANE: Yes. In fact, this company has received funds from the state of Ohio. But I thought, "Maybe the Institute needed new direction." We had a nice program that went on for years with a group at Hughes Research, [headed by David Margerum], developing displays and various kinds of things. That's what you do as a director, you fund your organization. I just thought engineering was the place to be for what I seemed to like. There was another candidate for one of Glenns positions, Professor Alfred Saupe who was on the faculty at Freiburg University in Germany. Actually you could use and switch any color. NOTE TO USERS: Sharp Copy Transcription, an independent transcription service, produced the original version of this transcript from the digital audio files of this oral history interview. They wanted to fund the research on a two-year basis, with a renewal every two years. CRAWFORD: We talked yesterday about some of the difficulties around Fergason's patenting ventures, and you had said that throughout the 70s, you were doing primarily basic research and weren't really working on applications. Information on the people and the population of Les Avenires Veyrins-Thuellin. That's where the early display work was really making progress. Then, I saw that maybe this was an opportunity for a university to get involved in display research. Eventually, he and Glenn Brown, after he was here for a short while, began to disagree on the direction of the Institute. I just thought it was important to patent to establish it as your discovery or development with Kent State ownership. Universities, by nature, like to be open and publish their research.] I brought him to Kent to work on it in my lab. [Laugh] That was the start of a major change in my research life. Two miles from the noonday creek trail!Directions: Google, Waze. Saupe wasn't focused on that at the time although he did later contribute in that area. If I get into this now, it'll take us into the separate issues, the flat panel display field.CRAWFORD: Maybe one way to approach this would be, what was your sense of Dr. Brown's vision for the Institute?DOANE: His vision of the Institute, as I understood it, he wanted it to be an academic institute, but he didn't want it on the research campus where other Kent State science research was going on. It was sort of a political thing. From Akron University [we have hired students with expertise in polymers. UPDATE 10/2/17 @ 9:46 p.m. He often spoke about that, living systems. I'm interviewing Dr. J. William Doane, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Emeritus Director of the Liquid Crystal Institute at Kent State University, as well as Co-Founder and Senior Advisor at Kent Displays. There were a number of things we could make on it. I thought maybe if I did, I'd have to take these candidacy exams over again, and I didn't want to do that. He did a beautiful job, and made me a nice compound. This was a prime incentive in forming Kent Displays.This new reflective technology came about when early on, the Xerox group was working on things called cholesteric liquid crystals. I need a softball player." It actually was at that point that I began to think about seeing if I could get a building on the research campus [to make a closer tie between liquid crystal research on campus and that of the institute].CRAWFORD: Were you hoping to provoke more interaction between Institute researchers and the physics and chemistry departments?DOANE: Yes. After ALCOM got under way we had an Industrial Partnership Program involving some 20 US companies. But I would say that was kind of how I got started in it. [Laugh] And he did. There are numerous small colleges in Northeastern Ohio. CRAWFORD: What was it that allowed you to switch between the two states?DOANE: It has to do with how you switch it. Today, the state of Ohio does everything they can to help form companies. [Laugh] I've heard other scientists comment on this, that it seems like the younger you are, the more bold you are in trying new things. I'm sure I had considered this because I really had to look at an area of physics in which I could support our family. After I finished that, the Army discovered that I and one other guy in this class were physicists, and they said they needed communications officers. But continuing that attitude didn't work when the materials began to be developed and their use became recognized. The attitude in industry for commercializing the technology ultimately was just not there. The University had put so much into the Institute, had supported it with all of these positions, and here was a marvelous opportunity for the University to get something from it. I think that's what I learned from it. I never really worried about COVID as a disease, I just followed along with what professionals thought we should do. Bravo aux quipes pour ce nouveau projet. [Laugh] [Polymer dispersed liquid crystals (PDLCs) became known in industry as well, worldwide.] I hired John to help me with these dispersions, and he made great contributions. I just wanted to get it involved in the graduate programs. Those were pretty much my early years in a nutshell.CRAWFORD: What was it that attracted you to radio?DOANE: I'm not really sure. Kent State wasn't widely known for anything at that time. Kent State made money on licensing, [but they didnt make a lot in view of work and the trouble it can cause, particularly if the patent is challenged and there is a court battle. We didn't have that technology. He went with Fergason, actually, when he left to start his company. I think that's one of the nicest contributions it had. CRAWFORD: Who was that?DOANE: His name was Albert Green. Wil Franklin was working on viscosity and related things. CRAWFORD: ALCOM is funded in 1991, and five years later, you retire. I wanted to do just the opposite of what these guys did. It's been very helpful. Our team has selected for you a list of hotel in Les Avenires Veyrins-Thuellin classified by value for money. He was a nice guy [and a very capable researcher].CRAWFORD: You mentioned that at the time, Schadt and Helfrich were working on display cells and so forth, and that there were a number of different options for making displays. Of all the discoveries I've made, that was probably the one that made the biggest splash. He was developing Parkinson's, and I could see that things were not going well. He did that, and the experiment was a failure because the liquid crystal mixed with the epoxy. Fortunately, I was picked, as well as quite a few others, although not everybody but most. I thought of it as a way that physicists could work with chemists, and vice versa, and still be in their own department. As with other faculty in physics and chemistry,] it helped me build up a very nice laboratory with a lot of students involved. But we really made a nice presentation. Further, in the ALCOM Center, we had a very successful K-12 program, too. CRAWFORD: This kind of fits with a little bit of what we're talking about right now, how the Institute relates to the two main departments that are related to the study of liquid crystals, physics and chemistry.DOANE: Actually, biology is getting more and more involved [and, as I understand it, also engineering and there may be more].CRAWFORD: You mentioned that as part of ALCOM, the University committed to this new building, which is the LCI building at the end of the science mall on campus. [Laugh]CRAWFORD: Why did it seem so important or crucial to do this grant?DOANE: I thought it was marvelous. But they did. Was that something you sought out?DOANE: At that time, I was looking at other things, actually. They focused on one type of liquid crystal display, LCD, referred to as a twist cell. Shirley knew I wanted to go back to graduate school and was quite supportive of that, even though she wanted to start a family. That had some issues, too. But back then, for that situation at that time, me being in academia, in the physics department, and there being a big desire to understand the fundamental properties of liquid crystals, it was important to collect liquid crystal research on the research campus at KSU to help the faculty involved. At that time, the liquid crystals were unstable and would decompose over time. We wouldn't have cell phones with displays, flat TV screens, interactive wrist watches etc. Samsung in Korea does it today on 60-inch and larger screens. I thought, "I'm going to see if I can get the administration to let me use this program in the Institute." And that's what I formed KDI on. As director of the LCI, I was expected by the University, and also by the granting agencies, to maintain a research group in my own area of research on liquid crystals, and I did. If you wish to report an issue or seek an accommodation, please. He decided to form a company up in Cleveland to manufacture liquid crystal twist cell displays . His name was Jim Fergason. She was wanting to start a family, and we thought we could do that, even while I was in graduate school. It's a paper replacement you don't have to throw away. I thought it was good for Kent State, too. With regards to science, in high school, I got involved with amateur radio. Also, I think it forces people, particularly in governments, to look at how we deal with diseases. That's really a benefit for [Kent Displays]. CRAWFORD: Good! ]CRAWFORD: The departments have their own hiring plans and needs.DOANE: Departments have their own agenda and plans. I talked to the physics department to see if I could get an appointment for him in physics, but they didnt want to do it. Then, in 1998, you received the Jan Rajchman Prize from the Society for Information Displays, which is described on their website as, "For an outstanding scientific or technical achievement in or contribution to research on flat-panel displays." Manhattan Regional Airport (MHK) is 11 minutes away by car. After he got his degree, he worked in industry, and it could've been that he just didn't understand academia. Or was it just purely, "This is where we have space"?DOANE: Chemistry and physics being two independent units didn't bother me at all. One experiment he wanted to do was to look at cosmic rays that came in on the horizon and passed through the Rocky Mountains, to see how they were absorbed in the Rocky Mountains. An oral history interview with J. William Doane, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Emeritus Director of the Liquid Crystal Institute (LCI) at Kent State University, and Co-Founder and Senior Advisor at Kent Displays, Inc., in Kent, Ohio. ]CRAWFORD: Right, because the university becomes kind of a competitor to the companies.DOANE: [Not necessarily a competitor because they're not in the same kind of business]. [Laugh]CRAWFORD: Where did this expertise come from? Do you have any sense of what was driving that change or what has driven the change from this vision Brown expressed?DOANE: I'm not sure it was actually ever really feasible. [Laugh]CRAWFORD: Why do you say that?DOANE: If the Institute had had a display program going, it would've been a bonanza. I, with my students and postdocs even discovered some unique phase properties with magnetic resonance that could not be observed any other way; that sort of stuff. After Saupe had been at Kent for a while, he convinced that student to leave Hoffman-La Roche and come work with him at Kent. CRAWFORD: It sounds like you're saying it's partly a cultural thing.DOANE: Yes. They wanted to show that there was economic benefit to all of this. He was a couple years ahead of me in school, and he said after he'd graduated, he went to work for Westinghouse. I was standing there, and the professor happened to be in there, and he saw me. Because I was working on it, and other people in the physics department began to notice. The other reason was, at that time, I'd been at Kent State 31 years, and the University had what they called a five-year buyout plan which was an incentive. I think there have been quite a few spin-offs since. And of course, after they graduated from high school, they went to college, and I didn't see them then, either. 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