Now lets say in this situation I have a friend who plays WH and hes a recaster, and he can get me that same army for $50. But some of our niche names might disappear over night. Sure, theyre making each box manually. The other aspect is quality of product, I know a lot of LoTR players would rather buy metal recasts from ebay rather than finecast versions of originally metal models from gw (basically all the elite troops were switched from metal to finecast when finecast first came out, so its not even the improved finecast). They should be 30% of that and maybe nobody would copy that. I have no problem doing a massive company like GW out of 40 quid. However, by doing so we are ignoring the damage that this does to the industry . Judge yourselves. The manufacturer isnt benefiting from this situation either. When GW sells the same models in Australia for 60-90% more than the US for no good reason it is hard to feel sorry for them. Finecast is so good, I really dont understand recast buyers ! So if people in the third world cant pay western prices having recasts means more of a hobby presence that pushes those who value original source into an ongoing if not growing stream of business. All that artistic work, ranging from concept, development, sculpting, marketing or quality control, has a price. Save Money On All These Alternative Miniatures. FJ was developed by a multicultural team of various beliefs. Their miniatures are good-quality. Quality and durability is a real issue with their resin, Ive had several LoTR finecast models break on me while gaming far too easily, usually on fine detail or blades thats near impossible to effectively fix. Whats the actual law being broken when trading for a recast model? Too draconian prices. Try again. I think theres one thing that need to be said here regardless of ip. Spikey Bits is a registered trademark of Purple Elephants. That does not mean I only buy from a recast seller , but expensive and big models worth of the discount . GW greed and agressive copyright protection has no sympathy in my hart, not to mention rule changing every year and leaving youngsters out of hobby due to pricing. An example of data being processed may be a unique identifier stored in a cookie. How can anyone claim the second company is not greedy, and yes the second company gets targeted by pirates and the first doesnt. They are the backbone of the operation and have done this for years to create wonderful minis as well as a great line of paints. After games workshops 150 million EXTRA prophit in 2018 Im not sure that recasting is harming the hobby in the slightest. After evaluating each and every aspect that could lead us to look for a cheaper product, we see that getting the original product will undoubtedly make our experience with the miniature hobby much better. Rackham died because they didnt know how to run a business. Believe it or not, this industry grows out of passion and love, the same we pour on every project on our workbench. Especially when taken out of context or without a clue of whats going on here Sure there are Chinese recasters, unfortunately I hate to break it to you, but all of the biggest and well known recasts world wide produced here are made by westerners Bummer. Check out Yoyhammer. I need some of the bigger suits for my tau and they are pretty expensive so I would most likely turn to a recast. as you seem to be proud of the fact you steal form these companies. enter the latest monthly giveaway for FREE today! In addition to this, the flat parts are not flat by any (ANY) means. Recast popularity reflects that or they would not keep popping up. All I can say is that the metal quality is horrible. We are saying to watch out for recasts of other artists personal work. Ill just download the PDF for free. And we wouldnt want you to go through that. You stole the rights to that model. As much as I loved the action parts of the 10th edition cinematic, Guilliman's speech was an underrated highlight that goes harder than some might not have realized because it constantly cuts between his speech and badass action. Is it okay to create my own miniatures if they are not a product that Games Workshop creates or has any copyrights on? (and here I come back the argument) its the small independent places that can no longer get the movies into big cinema chains because they wont bring in the numbers to cover the costs. Youre a thief. People who use recast try to paint GW as the bad guy and the others that protect GW dont want to have a conversation or rationalize their thoughts. Prisons are filled with thieves. Recommended Products For The Miniatures Hobby! Appealing to modelers if futile in my opinion, there is not enough power in that argument to change buying habits. Personally I would like to see new players pick it up and have the hobby flourish. Here in Spain we call it Chinoforge, the one that pretty much everyone has heard of. The vast, vast majority of the models I buy are genuine GW products, but there gets a point where Im not going to spend 30 for each and every additional model in an army, which become often unusable in game as rules get re-released with almost each passing year. My issue is the price, these limited edition models ie: Eisenhorn, Sly, some of the Primaris models are just crazy expensive in comparison. Ive never bought from a recaster, but I know many who do. I totally understand the problem with stolen IP and that the problem must be addressed, but I would also say that in regards to out of production miniatures that in economic terms GW are not providing what the market wants, so the market is finding alternative ways to provide it, unfortunately these arent legal, but on the other hand this is an avoidable situation for GW. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'spikeybits_com-large-mobile-banner-1','ezslot_9',634,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-spikeybits_com-large-mobile-banner-1-0');Mix Your Paint In Seconds! We exploit our environment by our very nature and capitals need for constant continual acceleration in exploitation was never sustainable to start with. My FLGS is not GW. At a glance, recasts appear quite similar, but when looked at closely, important flaws become evident. 1. GW copycat ideas from sourses like Terminator,Alien, Dungeons and Dragons and what not. We havent got a global Netflix style service with all movies available. View, download or. Someone mentioned looked at Rackham games as if recasts are why they went out of business. GW going out of business would be the best thing in the world for the hobby. It is our mission to bring you the latest from the miniature wargaming scene, from narrative missions, hobby how-to tutorials, battle reports, unboxings and reviews, retro flashbacks, news, rumors, and more. A check of their website shows that it is indeed down, and from the looks of it not coming back. If you dont have the money to afford models, dont buy them. This scourge of the hobby is a worldwide problem. "R" refreshes comments. Mainly because it is ILLEGAL. But good way to name and shame yourself, although I doubt there is any shame there. You arent using a recaster, he is using you. Recasting is a side effect of greedy companies or individuals that take hobby members for granted. Prices go up. I now rely on trade forums to find slightly reasonably priced models. From the beginning thought of a new model in their head to putting it on paper, and into real life. You retard, that was already included in the measurement. How many of us would not be hobbyists if it wasnt for our local GW? I wonder If anybody writing that ever have ever hold Forge World model. Get ad-free access to our hobby videos, a monthly crate of miniatures, and support some of the best creators out there for as little as$6 a month on Patreon! Although you will see the very evident differences, during this comparison you will find the original piece on the left pictures and the recast to the right. This also amounts to stealing somebody elses work. I blame LEGOs. Take these smaller companies making stunning models for half the price or even less, how is that possible? The above is, again, scare-mongering. Do they make, from BEGINNING to END, an entirely domestic, clean, and non-toxic product? What companies are u using for recasts? The resin *can* be toxic, but buying from larger recasters is safe. Really you are the idiots here supporting such a corporation. Adding on to what Shane Rozzell have said and more direct. As an Amazon Associate, I earn from qualifying purchases. There was a study by the EU relating to video games that piracy helped games sell better. 33% of the original, and with a positive experience in my pocket Im more likely to stick into the hobby, which means more long term profits. . rockit cool direct die oculus link mic not working. I would say though that what you talk about is a different topic to what we are discussing in this post. Also, if you think this is going to destroy GW, check out their profit margins in their annual business reports. This really rips ma knitting this! Youre not automatically entitled to them. Great article, it is a fair fight and I am seriously pleased to see this being taken seriously, even in the comments section. Those are the nice guys who brought us age of sigmar, which made great armys obsolete and huge investmenst of time and money into them void. Games workshop has an extremely bad ethic towards its pricing, I saw a comparison of two kits, with a near identical amount of plastic used for the construction and both were released in the same time frame and likely designed side by side. Nor is an active and enterprising collaborator of many projects related to our community, contributing with ideas, work on social networks and the Internet. If you plan on punishing players (and I mean PUNISH them) when you compare what you offer for what other reasonable vendors offer, you find re-castes are a result of your own actions. So the person being greedy here is you. However, it is unknown if sellers have been similarly notified or if there is just a lull in listings. There are so many classic wfb models Id love to buy, but the second hand market is just crazy since aos happened and some models are just near impossible to find, even if you have the money. You stole it. But I can spend 25-30 on a recast and its perfect first time. [] a subject which rears its head quite regularly. All rights reserved. people who dont play a game ultimately kill the game/hobby. You can call people that buy recasts thieves I hope you enjoy your elitist hobby with the few people that can afford to play it. Even so, this work is not enough to come even close to the original. clearly you have no idea about running a business you think that when you buy a model you pay just for resin ? Rules Recaster Z is the lowest cost and - #171951649 added by manollette at Desu Korps of Kreig 21 2019 Games Workshop Warhammer 40k Ork Boyz $40 A recasting catalog 2/2/18 A recasting catalog 2/2/18. It is not a matter of victimization or educating anyone, but it is about making all our followers understand that the illicit practices of the recasters are causing us to be little by little in danger of extinction if we continue to feed them. You give that profit to someone that doesnt pay tax in this country. Game workshops prophit have been that big that instead of making their models cheaper for their customers they gave their staff a 2 thousand pounds bonus ( tax purposes) so boo hoo if the greedy fuckers are losing in the grand scale of things pocket change. Games Workshop wont disappear. @ Greg Smith: That attitude is killing the hobby. And dont forget about the spacedwarfs aka squats. After all, they also pay the same fees and have lots of competition. @Italeri Games Workshop prices are high, but they are not massively greater than companies like Knight Models. The quality is just as good as forgeworld, sometimes you need to add a little greenstuff though but the same goes with forgeworld models. Find, rate and share the best memes and images. With Z, the above linked infantry squad is $16. A model is too expensive in your opinion and dont worth the money? GWs greed and extortionate prices. Now it raise an other thing literally pissing me off if I may, due to that misinformation, we legit hobbyist/painters in China are also punished with blatant racism by most of the European brands (especially those from Spainsorry guys). It didnt take long for GW to take action, and after a while it became nearly impossible to find these copies online. Alecs is really right for all that fantasy models he refers were sculpted by artists and then casted to mass production, usually in metal and made of thick components. Its material has still some margin for manipulation, as opposed to the one in the recast copy. Let us know in the comments of ourFacebook Hobby Group,and make sure youenter the latest monthly giveaway for FREE today! If you happen to know of any second hand recast seller, or on-line store selling these fake products, we encourage you to contact the corresponding company affected so they can take proper measures against it. Seriously, if you received the package and looked at it carefully, you would understand what we are talking about. We pay so that the company we like so much is able to surpriseus again in the future with yet another piece to continue enjoying our hobby. The elitism of GW is a prime example; They go so far as not allowing official models in their store tourneys, even when a reasonable counts-as. Imo it tells me that they severely overprice their products for maximum GP. See yourself for historical games, for the Warlord Games company. It is our aim to be an inclusive and wholesome place for all. They are bentor folded, transparent and rough surfaced. When Games Workshop uses ONLY domestic materials and employees, thats when Ill stop augmenting my official purchases with personal recasts. produce in the country you sell in and not in china.. then we can talk until then you get what you deserve! Shall I summon the serf dedicated to worshiping the shavings from your glorious toenails, milord? I wouldnt take a recast even if someone gives it to me for free. We pay for quality in finishes and materials, and the most important ofall: Without remorse, there was a supplier that recasted the catalog of Games Workshop and Forgeworld reselling it at a ridiculous price. You have entered an incorrect email address! why is it that if I spend 70 on a primarch from forgeworld, I have to send at least 3 or 4 of those parts back to be exchanged because of mould slips or just general terrible casting and I will likely have to return one of the replacements they send me too. Maybe it will work for them but I think they are pushing away many potential newcomers to the hobby which is the future. Recasts and piracy, in general, is suddenly on the rise across the hobby as a whole, as other manufacturers and independent artists are also starting to take a hit. Because there truly is no real money in the miniatures business. Let explain with the simple aim of making you understand it the true depth of your act. These illegal copies are either found in the second hand market or directly by those looking for a 70% discount or more. I just bought Dreadnought with 2 sets of weapons and I paid > 100 EUR. Bollocks. They spend hundreds of thousands of dollars creating their cast presses for the units. Look at Rackham from 10 years ago. Ok fair enough, our companies are small and action costs. And I do not buy the excuse hey, this is an expensive hobby. No? Discover the magic of the Internet at Imgur. The China Warhammer recaster known as CDR recently announced that they are: shutting down business for good and that a handful of people are buying all their master molds. Im not into recasting but what I find ridiculous is Games Workshops prices. We see three key points to avoid these false copies: And if after reading this article you want to do something positive about this, its quite easy actually. What do you think of the latest Warhammer recaster to get shut down by Games Workshop ? A movement has started to help raise awareness about the loss of income these folks have started to experience recently. It's generally frowned upon. Ill never buy legitimate versions now with the re casts being so good from where I get them from. You say illegal a lot. Try to pay a good concept designer, a good sculptor, a good painter for box art, than doing promotion, pay tax, location, bills and what else and dont forget you need to have profit for time and risk you took. So what Jag is saying is if something is more expensive than he wants to pay, he is justified in stealing it. One must ask whats in the customers best interest? Or rather, do they produce miniatures with base polystyrene produced in highly toxic factories in China and Vietnam? 256. r/Warhammer40k. I havent bought any GW recasts yet but I support it because if it eventually hurts GW enough that they reevaluate their business practices and lower their prices, that will bring more people into the hobby and overall gaming will be better. You are stealing. There are many families, people and brands that struggle hard every day to bring you new and spectacular figures and products. #22 to #20 - manollette . Recasting gives these filthy companies a taste of their own medicine. The current situation especially benefits those people who kept their stuff in boxes rather than paint/assemble/game with them, essentially those who buy the product but dont take part in the hobby. Both have exactly the same parts. Its not difficult to find recasts, or at least, know where to look for them. Yes. Recasting isnt a side effect of greedy companies, I have known some companies unable to meet rent and worse still some have gone out of business. And people have stopped going because why spend 20 on a family trip to the cinema (10 years ago) when you can get the movie for free. We are talking about recasts: illegal copies of miniatures. Thank you for your inputs Rusty! As you see, this is nightmarish no matter how you look at it. If that was to happen then there is a chance of changing something. Man, either you are some kid, troll or just an idiot with no capacity to think logically. Not the original miniature companies.. You think they magically pump out miniatures at just the cost of supplies you are an idiot. They were producing beautiful miniatures (crazy complicated game) but they were cut the margins too thinly. Ive loved games workshops products for over 20 years now but im finding it harder and harder to justify spending so much on their productsespecially after they tried so hard to stop us here in australia finding cheaper prices overseas, ill continue to support gw by buying genuine products but im not going to pay the crazy prices they want is to pay here. Umm. Another army made unplayable. Just saying, this argument is fail. Obviously, as you will see now, the original copy hasvery good quality in every detail. 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Some companies sell their original 28mm figures for less than 1.50 yet other companies sell theirs for 8. Shortcuts: "C" opens comments. Its partly to do with inflation, but mostly due to the declining numbers of people going. While actual models are 3D printed from a computer file done by a minimun wage payed designer and then casted the most hollow and thin possible to minimize costs and reduce durability. Changed their name many times, now operating via email sending emails with links to the actual catalog. As a former game store employee I will say this: the amount of players that get discouraged from even trying to enter the hobby because of GWs prices makes me sad (it is a lot). These artists work hard. Ive never bought a re-cast and never will. This sort of effect makes even more sense in model games, particularly WH. Z Catalog Recast. I would agree with most of the points expressed in the comments, that the moral analysis of recasting begins and ends at theft. But in the past 2 years their stock has sky rocketed. Nor over on Volomir talked about some of the reasons why miniature copies need to be []. If you order anything that is not titan sized you get all the same issues the recasts have. Your supporting a criminal enterprise plain and simple which is slowly killing the hobby will these re casters spend time and money designing rule books and fluff? How Imperial Agents Work in 10th Edition & Free Arbites Rules! When you create a community of over 200 players/painters from occident and another 300 mainlanders, manage to make an order form for let say greenstuff world for those 500 lads to get legit stuff, and you are being told : you guys are thief so no we wont deliver in China because we do not want to get copied While saying that to a European. If we demand fairer prices and go outside their control, it is because they are not catering to the majority of their customers. 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